"Faced with the threat from swarms of small
boats. the US Navy is looking to equip the
sensor turrets of its shipborne helicopters
with the ability to designate multiple targets
for simultaneous attack by laser-guided
missiles like Hellfire."

See:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=Blog&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%3ade07c957-e8d9-407b-a712-9f7221a31b54&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest

ha scritto:
> "Faced with the threat from swarms of small
> boats. the US Navy is looking to equip the
> sensor turrets of its shipborne helicopters
> with the ability to designate multiple targets
> for simultaneous attack by laser-guided
> missiles like Hellfire."

Hmmm.....

Seems to me an excellent idea against all boats smaller than FAC (that
is, with self-defense system with <5000 mt range), providing is an AGM
mod M and later (~8000 mt. range, non-HEAT warhead)

the HE warheads, and more so the thermobaric warhead of the N and the
shrapnel of the R should be really effective against warship or
improvised attack craft (read: pirate boats) smaller than ~300-400 tons.
but the ~8km range of the hellfire and the inherent low stealthiness of
helos on the open sea preclude stand-off attacks against ships above
~400 tons, that is, capable of carrying guns from 57mm up and/or
missiles around the seasparrow size.

OTOH, this concept can also be an excellent anti-landing system, esp. in
defence of narrow and/or steep coastlines (here in Italy the idea will
be readily adopted ;) and more so on the other side of the Adriatic :( )

Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

On Dec 25, 3:21*am, wrote:
> "Faced with the threat from swarms of small
> boats. the US Navy is looking to equip the
> sensor turrets of its shipborne helicopters
> with the ability to designate multiple targets
> for simultaneous attack by laser-guided
> missiles like Hellfire."
>
> See:
>
> http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController...

An heir or counterpart to the QF guns meant to deal with torpedo
boats, as Harpoon is heir or counterpart to the bigger guns.....

On Dec 25, 5:25*am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
> wrote:

{SNIP}

> the ~8km range of the hellfire and the inherent low stealthiness of
> helos on the open sea preclude stand-off attacks against ships above
> ~400 tons, that is, capable of carrying guns from 57mm up and/or
> missiles around the seasparrow size.
>
{SNIP}

> Dott. Piergiorgio.

Isn't that what Penguin is for?:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/agm-119.htm

dumpster4 wrote:

> "Faced with the threat from swarms of small
> boats. the US Navy is looking to equip the
> sensor turrets of its shipborne helicopters
> with the ability to designate multiple targets
> for simultaneous attack by laser-guided
> missiles like Hellfire."
>
> See:
>
> http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/defense/index.jsp?plckController=B
> log&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&newspaperUserId=27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-0
> 1329aef79a7&plckPostId=Blog%3a27ec4a53-dcc8-42d0-bd3a-01329aef79a7Post%
> 3ade07c957-e8d9-407b-a712-9f7221a31b54&plckScript=blogScript&plckElemen
> tId=blogDest


I am the god of Hellfire and I bring you:

Fire
I'll take you to burn.
Fire
I'll take you to learn.
I'll see you burn!

You fought hard and you saved and learned

but all of it's going to burn.
And your mind
your tiny mind
you know you've really been so blind.
Now's your time burn your mind.
You're falling far too far behind.
Oh no
oh no
oh no
you gonna burn!

Fire
to destroy all you've done.
Fire
to end all you've become.
I'll feel your burn!

You've been living like a little girl
in the middle of your little world.
and your mind
your tiny mind
you know you've really been so blind.
Now's your time burn your mind
you're falling far too far behind.

Fire
I'll take you to burn.
Fire
I'll take you to learn.
You gonna burn ... burn ... burn ...
Fire
I'll take you to burn ...

- Arthur Brown

ha scritto:

>> the ~8km range of the hellfire and the inherent low stealthiness of
>> helos on the open sea preclude stand-off attacks against ships above
>> ~400 tons, that is, capable of carrying guns from 57mm up and/or
>> missiles around the seasparrow size.
>>

> {SNIP}

> Isn't that what Penguin is for?:

Indeed. If we want to draw a parallel with weapons system of a century
or so ago, the penguin is like the "secondary battery" available to
helos, the main being the harpoon and the tertiary these navalised
hellfire.... I guess everyone can agree that a penguin is an overkill
against pirate skiffs and iranian large RHIB and similiar types of
pousserie Navale.

Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

In message >,
dott.Piergiorgio > writes
>OTOH, this concept can also be an excellent anti-landing system, esp.
>in defence of narrow and/or steep coastlines (here in Italy the idea
>will be readily adopted ;) and more so on the other side of the
>Adriatic :( )

Sweden and Norway have done exactly that for some time...

--
He thinks too much, such men are dangerous.

Paul J. Adam

On Dec 26, 3:09*am, wrote:
> On Dec 25, 5:25*am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
>
> > wrote:
>
> {SNIP}
>
> > the ~8km range of the hellfire and the inherent low stealthiness of
> > helos on the open sea preclude stand-off attacks against ships above
> > ~400 tons, that is, capable of carrying guns from 57mm up and/or
> > missiles around the seasparrow size.
>
> {SNIP}
>
> > Dott. Piergiorgio.
>
> Isn't that what Penguin is for?:
>
> http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/agm-119.htm

True but more Hellfires can be carried than Penguins, depending on the
range and number of the threats, both have their own power alleys...

On Dec 26, 2:02*am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
> wrote:


[SNIP]


> Indeed. If we want to draw a parallel with weapons system of a century
> or so ago, the penguin is like the "secondary battery" available to
> helos, the main being the harpoon and the tertiary these navalisedhellfire.... I guess everyone can agree that a penguin is an overkill
> against pirate skiffs and iranian large RHIB and similiar types of
> pousserie Navale.
>
> Best regards from Italy,
> Dott. Piergiorgio.


Can any helicopters actually launch Harpoon?

wrote in
:

> On Dec 26, 2:02*am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
> > wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>
>> Indeed. If we want to draw a parallel with weapons system of a
>> century or so ago, the penguin is like the "secondary battery"
>> available to helos, the main being the harpoon and the tertiary these
>> navalisedhellfire.... I guess everyone can agree that a penguin is an
>> overkill
>> against pirate skiffs and iranian large RHIB and similiar types of
>> pousserie Navale.
>
> Can any helicopters actually launch Harpoon?

Global Security's page on the AGM-84 suggests not:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/agm-84.htm.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

On Dec 28, 9:23*am, Andrew Chaplin >
wrote:
> wrote :
>
> > On Dec 26, 2:02 am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
> > > wrote:
>
> > [SNIP]
>
> >> Indeed. If we want to draw a parallel with weapons system of a
> >> century or so ago, the penguin is like the "secondary battery"
> >> available to helos, the main being the harpoon and the tertiary these
> >> navalisedhellfire.... I guess everyone can agree that a penguin is an
> >> overkill
> >> against pirate skiffs and iranian large RHIB and similiar types of
> >> pousserie Navale.
>
> > Can any helicopters actually launch Harpoon?
>
> Global Security's page on the AGM-84 suggests not:http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/agm-84.htm.

I remember seeing a theoretical Sea Apache drawing with Harpoon
loaded, but obviously that never came to pass.

On 26 Dec, 08:09, wrote:
> On Dec 25, 5:25*am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
>
> > wrote:
>
> {SNIP}
>
> > the ~8km range of the hellfire and the inherent low stealthiness of
> > helos on the open sea preclude stand-off attacks against ships above
> > ~400 tons, that is, capable of carrying guns from 57mm up and/or
> > missiles around the seasparrow size.
>
> {SNIP}
>
> > Dott. Piergiorgio.
>
> Isn't that what Penguin is for?:
>
> http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/agm-119.htm

I would go with Sea Skua :-)

Guy

On Dec 28 2009, 2:50*pm, guy > wrote:
> On 26 Dec, 08:09, wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 25, 5:25*am, "dott.Piergiorgio"
>
> > > wrote:
>
> > {SNIP}
>
> > > the ~8km range of thehellfireand the inherent low stealthiness of
> > > helos on the open sea preclude stand-off attacks against ships above
> > > ~400 tons, that is, capable of carrying guns from 57mm up and/or
> > > missiles around the seasparrow size.
>
> > {SNIP}
>
> > > Dott. Piergiorgio.
>
> > Isn't that what Penguin is for?:
>
> >http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/agm-119.htm
>
> I would go with Sea Skua :-)
>
> Guy

Doesn't Sea Skua require the launching helo to maintain line-of-sight
to the
target, since Sea Skua uses semi-active radar homing (like the
Sparrow
AAM)?

With Penguin, you can launch & leave, or just duck back down below
the
radar horizon after firing. With 3rd party targeting info from a UAV
or other
source, the launching platform can fire Penguin without ever even
seeing
(or being seen by) the target directly.

In message
>,
writes
>Doesn't Sea Skua require the launching helo to maintain line-of-sight
>to the
>target, since Sea Skua uses semi-active radar homing (like the
>Sparrow
>AAM)?

Correct: chosen because it gives more discrimination & control if there
are multiple contacts in the water. (Skua & its Sea Spray radar were
designed to keep the Lynx handily out of SA-N-4 range: a primary target
was the Nanuchka-class FFL)

>With Penguin, you can launch & leave, or just duck back down below
>the
>radar horizon after firing. With 3rd party targeting info from a UAV
>or other
>source, the launching platform can fire Penguin without ever even
>seeing
>(or being seen by) the target directly.

However, you only get one or two Penguin, while a Lynx can carry four
Skua. A lot depends on who, where and how you expect to be fighting.

--
He thinks too much, such men are dangerous.

Paul J. Adam

On Jan 1, 8:35*am, "Paul J. Adam"
> wrote:
> In message
> >,
> writes
>
> >Doesn't Sea Skua require the launching helo to maintain line-of-sight
> >to the
> >target, since Sea Skua uses semi-active radar homing (like the
> >Sparrow
> >AAM)?
>
> Correct: chosen because it gives more discrimination & control if there
> are multiple contacts in the water. (Skua & its Sea Spray radar were
> designed to keep the Lynx handily out of SA-N-4 range: a primary target
> was the Nanuchka-class FFL)
>
> >With Penguin, you can launch & leave, or just duck back down below
> >the
> >radar horizon after firing. *With 3rd party targeting info from a UAV
> >or other
> >source, the launching platform can fire Penguin without ever even
> >seeing
> >(or being seen by) the target directly.
>
> However, you only get one or two Penguin, while a Lynx can carry four
> Skua. A lot depends on who, where and how you expect to be fighting.
>
> --
> He thinks too much, such men are dangerous.
>
> Paul J. Adam

Like the Japanese with the torpedoes and bombs dilemma at Wake.